i think harry reid's comments sum it up. that is, there is no way that the democrats really want to talk about spending, and i know that the republicans have been light on detail as well, but if the issues facing this country are tackling the biggest part of what we spend in the form of entitlements, we are kidding ourselves that anything is going to be done in a timely faction. they are going to want to do the tax part and kick the rest, and i'll tell you what. i think a lot of conservatives will go along with the potential tax increase, but they are not going to take a promise on the rest of it, so i think it's going to get ugly. >> you know, carol, are alan greenspan is going to tell us later in the program that maybe we should go over the cliff, that the minor recession that is expected as a result is a small price to pay for greater fiscal reform in this country. >> you know that i believe that. you're teeing that one up for me. >> i'm giving you a softball here. >> i'm all about accountability and responsibility so i w